You Can't Say That!

May 29 2020 16 36 mins

Host, Tonya Pinkins, the Tony award winner who brought down the house with “Lot’s Wife” in CAROLINE, OR CHANGE….the woman who roasted herself on YouTube….who started #BlackPerspectivesMatter and #OtherPerspectivesMatter when she published an essay on leaving the titular role of MOTHER COURAGE, will get down and dirty with her peers about life on The Boards. YOU CAN’T SAY THAT!.. is the show where you can!



Ep35 - Harry Kelly (Part 1)
Jun 02 2020 • 38 min
Widowed four times, former VP at Young and Rubicam, playwright, composer on Grief and Contemplation and Psalm 109 as the prayer America needs in the age of Covid-19. Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.


Ep34 - Keith Josef Adkins (Part 2)
May 29 2020 • 35 min
Founder of The New Black Fest, playwright of Pitsbulls [Rattlestick Theater], The Last Saint on Sugar Hill [National Black Theater], The People Before The Park and television writer of Girlfriends, The Good Fight, P-Valley and upcoming The Witches of New York on the state of the arts in the age of Covid-19. Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.


Ep33 - Keith Josef Adkins (Part 1)
May 26 2020 • 36 min
Founder of The New Black Fest, playwright of Pitsbulls [Rattlestick Theater], The Last Saint on Sugar Hill [National Black Theater], The People Before The Park and television writer of Girlfriends, The Good Fight, P-Valley and upcoming The Witches of New York on the state of the arts in the age of Covid-19. Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.



Ep32 - Ifetayo Harvey (Part 2)
May 22 2020 • 31 min
After my first “Journey,” I read everything I could about psychedelics and everything was written by white man like Michael Pollan and Dennis and Terrence McKenna. So I scoured the web for people of color and their research and experience with entheogen. Fortunately for me, I found Ifetayo Harvey , founder Of People of Color in Psychedelics. Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.


Ep31 - Ifetayo Harvey (Part 1)
May 19 2020 • 37 min
After my first “Journey,” I read everything I could about psychedelics and everything was written by white man like Michael Pollan and Dennis and Terrence McKenna. So I scoured the web for people of color and their research and experience with entheogen. Fortunately for me, I found Ifetayo Harvey , founder Of People of Color in Psychedelics. Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.


Ep30 - Brian Devine (Part 2)
May 15 2020 • 29 min
I am happy to say that I am not for sale. I know my worth and it can’t be bought. And when you come in the package of a brown female body. For people who think everything is always for sale , the only thing they can say about you is that you are difficult because not being able to have the will by manipulation or money is difficult for them in deed. Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.


Ep29 - Brian Devine (Part 1)
May 12 2020 • 34 min
I am happy to say that I am not for sale. I know my worth and it can’t be bought. And when you come in the package of a brown female body. For people who think everything is always for sale , the only thing they can say about you is that you are difficult because not being able to have the will by manipulation or money is difficult for them in deed. Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.


Ep28 - Kelley Girod (Part 2)
May 08 2020 • 30 min
Kelley Nicole Girod is the founder and Executive Producing Director of Obie Award winning, The Fire This Time Festival. She is a 2008 graduate of Columbia's MFA playwriting program where she was a Stein and Liberace Fellow, as well as a John Golden Fellow. Her plays reflect the rich world of her native Louisiana and include Ambrosia, Straight on til Morning, Poetics of the Creative Process, Parabolas, and Watching. She was named Nytheatre.com Person of the Year for her work on TFTT, and is a part of the Indie Theatre Hall of Fame. Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.


Ep27 - Kelley Girod (Part 1)
May 05 2020 • 31 min
Kelley Nicole Girod is the founder and Executive Producing Director of Obie Award winning, The Fire This Time Festival. She is a 2008 graduate of Columbia's MFA playwriting program where she was a Stein and Liberace Fellow, as well as a John Golden Fellow. Her plays reflect the rich world of her native Louisiana and include Ambrosia, Straight on til Morning, Poetics of the Creative Process, Parabolas, and Watching. She was named Nytheatre.com Person of the Year for her work on TFTT, and is a part of the Indie Theatre Hall of Fame. Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.


Ep26 - Charlayne Woodard (Part 2)
May 01 2020 • 39 min
A friend of mine once bought about 75 acres of land and her sister, who worked for an old wealth family told her boss about her siter’s purchase. the patriarch responded “Why so little” To which the sister replied “That is all that was for sale” and the patriarch quipped “Oh darling, everything is always for sale”. Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.


Ep25 - Charlayne Woodard (Part 1)
Apr 28 2020 • 38 min
A friend of mine once bought about 75 acres of land and her sister, who worked for an old wealth family told her boss about her siter’s purchase. the patriarch responded “Why so little” To which the sister replied “That is all that was for sale” and the patriarch quipped “Oh darling, everything is always for sale”. Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.


Ep24 - Bridget Everett (Part 2)
Apr 24 2020 • 38 min
I kind of pride myself on doing things that scare me. My personal motto is that brilliance lies in the moment that might not work. It’s a quote from George C Wolfe that means basically if you’re just repeating what you already know how to do, you have given up on brilliance. Our society will support you in standardizing your art. But is Art that can be replicated like a Big mac or a Mocha latte really art? As much as I thought I was pushing my limits and encounter with my next guest rocked my world and set me on a collision course with personal religious upbringing and values that would change my life forever please join me in welcoming Bridget Everett. She is an alt-cabaret provocateur is the Baddest Babe in Comedy. From Joe’s Pub to Inside Amy Schumer to Pattie Cakes and her series Love You More. Watching her and working with her is life changing. Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.


Ep23 - Bridget Everett (Part 1)
Apr 21 2020 • 37 min
I kind of pride myself on doing things that scare me. My personal motto is that brilliance lies in the moment that might not work. It’s a quote from George C Wolfe that means basically if you’re just repeating what you already know how to do, you have given up on brilliance. Our society will support you in standardizing your art. But is Art that can be replicated like a Big mac or a Mocha latte really art? As much as I thought I was pushing my limits and encounter with my next guest rocked my world and set me on a collision course with personal religious upbringing and values that would change my life forever please join me in welcoming Bridget Everett. She is an alt-cabaret provocateur is the Baddest Babe in Comedy. From Joe’s Pub to Inside Amy Schumer to Pattie Cakes and her series Love You More. Watching her and working with her is life changing. Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.



Ep22 - Hot Wing Kings (Part 2)
Apr 17 2020 • 46 min
Coronatine kept you from seeing these men’s performance in the Hot Wing Kings by Katori Hall at The Signature Theater but 4 of the kings and their director sat down with me for a lively chat about Black love and living while Black. It's me on six, my first Gang Bang! Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.


Ep21 - Hot Wing Kings (Part 1)
Apr 14 2020 • 39 min
Coronatine kept you from seeing these men’s performance in the Hot Wing Kings by Katori Hall at The Signature Theater but 4 of the kings and their director sat down with me for a lively chat about Black love and living while Black. It's me on six, my first Gang Bang! Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.


Ep20 - Anath Garber (Part 2)
Apr 10 2020 • 34 min
Anath Garber is a friend and colleague whose expertise in psychotherapy and particularly the technique of psychodrama is very intriguing to me because I believe live theater can be religion and therapy and therapy as drama and healing may be the best invention since the wheel. Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.


Ep19 - Anath Garber (Part 1)
Apr 07 2020 • 31 min
Anath Garber is a friend and colleague whose expertise in psychotherapy and particularly the technique of psychodrama is very intriguing to me because I believe live theater can be religion and therapy and therapy as drama and healing may be the best invention since the wheel. Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.


Ep18 - Harry Newman (Part 2)
Apr 03 2020 • 41 min
Part2: I once sat on a panel of all White men and me in an audience of cultural diverse people who were there to share their experience with the powers of the patriarch about the lack of opportunities they had to work. Sadly. the male panelists were more interested in talking about what they had done to support diversity rather than listening to here what still needed to be done to improve diversity. One of them, argued that it should be his right to cast a dog if he wanted to. That speaker was Dick Cavett, who was deaf and dumb to how offensive it is to compare casting of people of color with casting a dog. My next guest is one of the smartest people I know and was the co-founder of the original Non-Traditional casting project join me in welcoming Harry Newman. Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.


Ep17 - Harry Newman (Part 1)
Mar 31 2020 • 37 min
Part1: I once sat on a panel of all White men and me in an audience of cultural diverse people who were there to share their experience with the powers of the patriarch about the lack of opportunities they had to work. Sadly. the male panelists were more interested in talking about what they had done to support diversity rather than listening to here what still needed to be done to improve diversity. One of them, argued that it should be his right to cast a dog if he wanted to. That speaker was Dick Cavett, who was deaf and dumb to how offensive it is to compare casting of people of color with casting a dog. My next guest is one of the smartest people I know and was the co-founder of the original Non-Traditional casting project join me in welcoming Harry Newman. Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.


Ep16 - Robert O Hara (Part 2)
Mar 27 2020 • 34 min
Part 2: I had a story about Robert O’Hara that I knew him as an intern for George C Wolfe and now whenever I ran into him her acted like he didn’t know me and gave me shade. I was predisposed to dislike everything he did because of that and then there came Slave Play which I love despite my understanding of all the arguments about why it is dangerous and harmful to Black people. Truth is often polarizing join me in welcoming Robert O’Hara. Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.


Ep15 - Robert O Hara (Part 1)
Mar 24 2020 • 35 min
Part 1: I had a story about Robert O’Hara that I knew him as an intern for George C Wolfe and now whenever I ran into him her acted like he didn’t know me and gave me shade. I was predisposed to dislike everything he did because of that and then there came Slave Play which I love despite my understanding of all the arguments about why it is dangerous and harmful to Black people. Truth is often polarizing join me in welcoming Robert O’Hara. Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.


Ep14 - Katori Hall (Part 2)
Mar 20 2020 • 31 min
Part 2: I envy Katori Hall. She gets to call a spade a spade without getting branded an angry black woman or as difficult which is what I always hear about myself from people who don’t know me at all. She is represented on Broadway with Tina the Musical, at The Signature Theater with The Hotwing Kings and on TV with Pussy Valley. She gets to create in every venue imaginable from Broadway to West End to TV/Film. Maybe it’s because she is so remarkably talented and makes so much money for all of them. Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.


Ep13 - Katori Hall (Part 1)
Mar 17 2020 • 30 min
Part 1: I envy Katori Hall. She gets to call a spade a spade without getting branded an angry black woman or as difficult which is what I always hear about myself from people who don’t know me at all. She is represented on Broadway with Tina the Musical, at The Signature Theater with The Hotwing Kings and on TV with Pussy Valley. She gets to create in every venue imaginable from Broadway to West End to TV/Film. Maybe it’s because she is so remarkably talented and makes so much money for all of them. Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.



Ep12 - Staceyann Chin (Part 2)
Mar 13 2020 • 46 min
Part 2: I was invited to a salon at Staceyann’s house for Black women to share their disdain over Jeremy O’Harris’s SLAVE PLAY. I was afraid I might not get out alive so I invited her to talk about it on the show. She is a force of nature as a poet, Drama Desk Award Winner and star of Tony Nominated DEF JAM Poetry. Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.


Ep11 - Staceyann Chin (Part 1)
Mar 10 2020 • 34 min
Part 1: I was invited to a salon at Staceyann’s house for Black women to share their disdain over Jeremy O’Harris’s SLAVE PLAY. I was afraid I might not get out alive so I invited her to talk about it on the show. She is a force of nature as a poet, Drama Desk Award Winner and star of Tony Nominated DEF JAM Poetry. Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.


Ep10 - Anne Hamburger, En Garde Arts (Part 2)
Mar 06 2020 • 37 min
Part2: Who am I? What is needed? How can I serve? These are the questions serial entrepreneur Anne Hamburger has been asking from early days as a visual performance artist to originating site specific theater, to running a regional theater, to starting Disneys Global entertainment theme park division to her return to socially relevant theater with her company En Garde Arts. Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.


Ep9 - Anne Hamburger, En Garde Arts (Part 1)
Mar 03 2020 • 33 min
Part1: Who am I? What is needed? How can I serve? These are the questions serial entrepreneur Anne Hamburger has been asking from early days as a visual performance artist to originating site specific theater, to running a regional theater, to starting Disneys Global entertainment theme park division to her return to socially relevant theater with her company En Garde Arts. Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.


Ep8 - Marc Kudisch (Part 2)
Feb 26 2020 • 37 min
Part 2: Three time Tony Nominee and current star of Girl From the North Country, Marc Kudisch and I shared the broadway stage in George C Wolfe and Michael John LaChiusa’s Wild Party. Catch us reminiscing about the good , the bad and the ugly of theater, Gen Z’s and what it’s like to be Jewish but look like a Wasp Patriarch. Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.


Ep7 - Marc Kudisch (Part 1)
Feb 19 2020 • 33 min
Part 1: Three time Tony Nominee and current star of Girl From the North Country, Marc Kudisch and I shared the broadway stage in George C Wolfe and Michael John LaChiusa’s Wild Party. Catch us reminiscing about the good , the bad and the ugly of theater, Gen Z’s and what it’s like to be Jewish but look like a Wasp Patriarch. Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.


Ep6 - Taylor Mac, Pulitzer Prize Finalist (Part 2)
Feb 12 2020 • 53 min
PART 2: The cool thing about being a colleague of McArthur Genius, Pulitzer Prize Finalist Taylor Mac is getting to bear witness to some of the behind the scenes intrigue of his Broadway playwriting debut GARY. Eavesdrop on a conversation with one of America’s most exciting, challenging and thrilling Activists. Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.


Ep5 - Taylor Mac, Pulitzer Prize Finalist (Part 1)
Feb 06 2020 • 55 min
PART 1: The cool thing about being a colleague of McArthur Genius, Pulitzer Prize Finalist Taylor Mac is getting to bear witness to some of the behind the scenes intrigue of his Broadway playwriting debut GARY. Eavesdrop on a conversation with one of America’s most exciting, challenging and thrilling Activists. Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.


Ep4 - Ron Russell (Part 2)
Dec 19 2019 • 24 min
Part 2: Tonya welcomes Ron Russell, award-winning Director and renown educator to YOU CAN'T SAY THAT! Ron is co-founder of four theaters that still produce today. He is the Executive Director of Epic Theatre Ensemble. With Epic, he has directed 16 award-winning Off-Broadway productions, including Premieres of Kate Fodor’s Hannah and Martin, Vern Thiessen’s Einstein’s Gift, Shakespeare’s Richard III, Born with Teeth, and Nilaja Sun’s Pike St., which he is currently touring across the nation and world, where it has won Helen Hayes and FringeFirst Awards. He has won an OBIE Award for Epic’s adaptation of Antigone and the International Ibsen Award for Pillars of Society. He has also designed sound for award-winning productions of Nilaja Sun’s No Child… (OBIE Award) and Judith Thompson’s Palace of The End. His teaching experience includes over 50 public schools, reaching over 18,000 youth, and his work as an educator in NYC has been recognized by citations from the Municipal Arts Society and Mayors Giuliani and Bloomberg. Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.


Ep3 - Ron Russell (Part 1)
Dec 12 2019 • 31 min
Part 1: Tonya welcomes Ron Russell, award-winning Director and renown educator to YOU CAN'T SAY THAT! Ron is co-founder of four theaters that still produce today. He is the Executive Director of Epic Theatre Ensemble. With Epic, he has directed 16 award-winning Off-Broadway productions, including Premieres of Kate Fodor’s Hannah and Martin, Vern Thiessen’s Einstein’s Gift, Shakespeare’s Richard III, Born with Teeth, and Nilaja Sun’s Pike St., which he is currently touring across the nation and world, where it has won Helen Hayes and FringeFirst Awards. He has won an OBIE Award for Epic’s adaptation of Antigone and the International Ibsen Award for Pillars of Society. He has also designed sound for award-winning productions of Nilaja Sun’s No Child… (OBIE Award) and Judith Thompson’s Palace of The End. His teaching experience includes over 50 public schools, reaching over 18,000 youth, and his work as an educator in NYC has been recognized by citations from the Municipal Arts Society and Mayors Giuliani and Bloomberg. Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.



Ep2 - Slave Play with Jeremy O. Harris & Joaquina Kalukango (Part 2)
Nov 06 2019 • 34 min
Part 2 of YOU CAN’T SAY THAT! Host Tonya Pinkins welcomes magnetic playwright of Broadway’s SLAVE PLAY, Jeremy O. Harris and captivating SLAVE PLAY star Joaquina Kalukango. Jeremy exploded onto the theatre scene this year with the Off-Broadway production of DADDY, starring Alan Cumming…and now with the provocative and searing SLAVE PLAY. Jeremy was the winner of the 2018 Paula Vogel Playwriting Award, given by the Vineyard Theatre. The New York Times recently said that Harris’s “ability to render subconscious trauma into provocative theatrical expression, as potentially unsettling as entertaining, has earned him a lot of attention in a very short time.” Joaquina was last seen on Broadway in THE COLOR PURPLE as Nettie. Other Broadway credits include HOLLER IF YA HEAR ME and GODSPELL. She also stars in WHEN THEY SEE US on Netflix and INSTINCT on CBS All Access. Host Tonya Pinkins is a Tony-winning actress, author, producer, director and teacher who has received tremendous acclaim for her starring roles in CAROLINE, OR CHANGE, JELLY’S LAST JAM, THE WILD PARTY, PLAY ON….among many other productions on stage and screen. Tonya recently conceived TRUTH AND RECONCILIATION of WOMYN: Narrative Stories and Songs for the Soul in ten minutes or less”. Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.


Ep1 - Slave Play with Jeremy O. Harris & Joaquina Kalukango (Part 1)
Oct 24 2019 • 33 min
Part 1 of YOU CAN’T SAY THAT! Host Tonya Pinkins welcomes magnetic playwright of Broadway’s SLAVE PLAY, Jeremy O. Harris and captivating SLAVE PLAY star Joaquina Kalukango. Jeremy exploded onto the theatre scene this year with the Off-Broadway production of DADDY, starring Alan Cumming…and now with the provocative and searing SLAVE PLAY. Jeremy was the winner of the 2018 Paula Vogel Playwriting Award, given by the Vineyard Theatre. The New York Times recently said that Harris’s “ability to render subconscious trauma into provocative theatrical expression, as potentially unsettling as entertaining, has earned him a lot of attention in a very short time.” Joaquina was last seen on Broadway in THE COLOR PURPLE as Nettie. Other Broadway credits include HOLLER IF YA HEAR ME and GODSPELL. She also stars in WHEN THEY SEE US on Netflix and INSTINCT on CBS All Access. Host Tonya Pinkins is a Tony-winning actress, author, producer, director and teacher who has received tremendous acclaim for her starring roles in CAROLINE, OR CHANGE, JELLY’S LAST JAM, THE WILD PARTY, PLAY ON….among many other productions on stage and screen. Tonya recently conceived TRUTH AND RECONCILIATION of WOMYN: Narrative Stories and Songs for the Soul in ten minutes or less”. Produced by Dori Berinstein, edited by Alan Seales, music by Anthony Norman. A proud member of the Broadway Podcast Network.


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